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21 Jul 2014 21:35 #1 by Moose2367
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Just thought it might be handy to have a central thread where we can list part numbers for upgrades, like 35 spline chro-mo axles, free wheel hubs etc.

Just been searching around(including the tech docs) for what others have used, but there aren't many part numbers or which versions used. Seeing as there are many different versions of the dana axles from different makes etc.

For instance, Yukon FWH have part numbers YHC71001 and YHC71002, both for Dana 60 35 spline but one for Ford and one for GM. If i've overlooked something then my bad.
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22 Jul 2014 17:42 #2 by OKAPETE
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You are correct when it comes to the difference between GM and Ford and this makes it problematic when wanting to buy any upgrade stuff for the Dana front and rear. My suggestion is save yourself the hassle of buying in the wrong and often very expensive part and speak to Paul at East Coast Oka Spares who is the most knowledgeable and usually has these items in stock and you are guaranteed the correct part for your upgrade at a fair price and keeping an Aussie business that supports Okas,in business. Just my 5c worth. Okapete.

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22 Jul 2014 18:00 #3 by Moose2367
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Cheers Pete, but from my experience, it hasn't worked out cheaper at all. The majority of parts sourced come from O/S anyway, may as well cut out more mark up and get it direct.

I can understand supporting aussie business too, my dad runs one, but when fair is fair i return the favour. That would be why most of us are sourcing more stuff from O/S ourselves.

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23 Jul 2014 07:44 #4 by Rick Whitworth
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Gday Pete, I'm with you

OKA owners like me who don't have access to an extensive workshop rely heavily on the local support from Paul, Ian in the East and OKA parts in the West. Yes, I can source some parts from O/S but by the time I sort out transport I don't end up ahead and risk getting the wrong part.

More important I get a knowlege base, options for upgrades and improvements, but most of all I have always had 100% guarantee and follow up on parts from them that I don't get elsewhere.
I get this support over the phone anywhere in Australia
You have to pay for this

With only 500 made there will never be any competition in the OKA space, and this impacts the suppliers as much as OKA owners. If owners don't subsidise local support, they will be forced out of the business. Without our support they can't carry the inventory on basic parts, let alone specialist items that we can't get anywhere else.

Rick Whitworth: OKA XT 149.
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23 Jul 2014 16:40 #5 by Moose2367
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Having access to a workshop has nothing to do with this.

The point of this was so that people don't order the wrong parts, if you don't want to contribute or use the resource then it's pretty simple, keep doing things the way you are and let others that want to order parts and do it themselves to contribute.

The amount of OKA's made should have no bearing on sourcing parts ourselves. As i stated earlier, it is not always cheaper, i was charged over $50 for 1 wheel stud and nut posted, now i get them for under a third of that, posted.

Your last sentence Rick is wrong, we can get the parts elsewhere, they are not special items made just for OKA, we shouldn't pay more for things just because of what type of vehicle we own.

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23 Jul 2014 17:57 #6 by OKADOC
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Hi all , I procured 35 spline 43/40 K/ M axels for two Oka's complete sets with the strongest crown wheels and pin ions and complete bearing kits etc with steering universals and warn FW Hubs for less than 2400 bucks delivered in Perth from LOCKTUP 4/4 in Fremantle
4x4 bloody excellent to deal with all round and they were air frieighted in with ARB air lockers front and rear with pumpkin protectors cheaper than I could by in Australia by far. Happy hunting crew.
Cheers Doc Davey

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23 Jul 2014 18:29 #7 by PeteFox
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My experience is that it is cheaper by far to import from the US. Even of a part fails and you can't get warranty, it is still cheaper to buy it again than to buy here.
I'd like to support locals but at the prices charged it just doesn't make sense.
I basically imported an entire set of Oka mechanicals less the engine from the US using TNT. Once you have figured out the that most parts sent WITHIN the US are freight free, the only thing you need to find is a freight forwarder/ consolidator to combine freight into economical packages and organise the freight. It's cheap.
Most times I could order parts and have then at my door within 4 days, service I just can't get locally
Pete

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23 Jul 2014 19:20 #8 by Joseph Baz
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I have sourced so called 4340 locally...when you put it to the grinder the sparks are NOT 4340 sparks...rest my case...it's only buyer beware...not everything that glitters is gold....on the other hand well before this site was up and going Paul Nott was sorting some of the OKA problems,he help a lot of people,I know him personally and he was always willing to help others,half of the people importing gear wouldn't know what to get if it wasn't for the info supplied by Paul and others,is fine if you want to save a few dollars but please don't call when you are in the shits.
Cheers,Joe
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23 Jul 2014 19:44 #9 by Moose2367
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No one said that they haven't done a hell of a lot for OKA owners in the past and probably in the future too, that is not the issue.

It's a case of some people want to import a lot of parts, as they are off the shelf items, not specific to OKA's, which i was told when i bought the wheel stud, apparently it was a special OKA item, that is far from the case. That sort of thing doesn't go down well with me, and others.

Is there really that much wrong with sourcing parts direct ourselves, which come from overseas anyway?

I fully understand supporting local business, to a point. Paying extra for R&D i understand, this is not R&D, there's some research but no development at all. Items are off the shelf.

I have no bad feeling towards anyone for wanting to keep it the way it has been for years, just as there should be same towards those wanting to do it themselves.

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23 Jul 2014 20:22 #10 by Joseph Baz
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We all have the freedom to do as we please,the only thing that personally i don't like is when people pick your brain and after loaded with the info they said I can get it cheaper from OS,a simple example is the outer axles Ford and Chev/Dodge have 35 splines BUT the length differs,that info was revealed on the old site originally....so what do we do fish for info and then give our money to someone that we don't know from a bar of soap and we we are in the shits will that supplier say oh that was what you suppose to fit...It doesn't cut it with me,I don't sell parts,if i have something in stock i offer it to people and they must replace like with like...and I can tell you not always happen like that...
Cheers,Joe

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23 Jul 2014 20:52 #11 by Moose2367
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I'm guessing you're talking about the outer axles that need about 3mm cut off to stop them hitting the FWH end caps?

90% of people buying spare parts are giving their $ to people they don't know, what's the difference here?

People are always asking questions here about how things are done and what to use etc, what;s the big deal about having a central reference for it?

I have no problems in sharing info on what i have researched, never have or would expect to make anything out of it, couldn't care less where they get the parts from after that.

I bought a washer bottle the other day, as well as hub steps from Allan, funnily enough i had a bloke down yesterday that sells the exact washer bottle and supplied OKA with various OEM parts, wiper systems, blower motors etc.

I have the catalogue and can list part numbers but if it's going to ruffle feathers it's not worth it. People can PM me and i'll send them off.

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23 Jul 2014 21:06 #12 by Joseph Baz
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Moose the difference is more than just 3mm and that is exactly what I'm talking about,i'm not ruffling feathers,I don't make a living out of it,i just like to help like minded people,but I also understand that some people have a business to run,it's nothing wrong with sourcing your own parts if you do your own research,as i said before Personally I find it a bit rich when people fish for info and then go shopping elsewhere...maybe that is just my view!!!
Cheers,Joe

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23 Jul 2014 21:17 #13 by Rick Whitworth
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Moose2367 wrote: Having access to a workshop has nothing to do with this.
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Your last sentence Rick is wrong, we can get the parts elsewhere, they are not special items made just for OKA, we shouldn't pay more for things just because of what type of vehicle we own.


It has everything to do with it

Don't get me wrong, I am all for the original intention behind this thread for a centralised record of part numbers and contributed to a number of previous blogs where this was being done.

If you want inferior parts and service go for it.
I always to support genuine quality local suppliers.

OKA #149 has a number of improvements, specific modifications to its running gear.. steering, front and rear diffs, brakes, clutch, gear box, linkages, handbrake and transfer case that were purpose built and supplied by Paul and are not available elsewhere. They are not available off the shelf. #149 has been tested with some serious off road work over the past two years and performs well, to say nothing of the myriad of other OKA owners who have and are enjoying the benefits of his parts and specific modifications.

I don't have access to a workshop that can fabricate these at anything like Paul's price.

the choices are...
1. Take a punt on a potentially inferior standard part from OS
2. Go to a workshop that can fabricate the part you want at exorbitant cost
3. Support competant local suppliers who stand by their parts and have invested the capital and know how to carry the inventory

I know where I am going to spend my $$.

Sure everyone wants to shop for a lower price but an OKA is not an ISUZU and I reckon it would be good idea to try to attract the local suppliers to this forum, not push them away

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23 Jul 2014 21:19 #14 by Moose2367
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I don't see how you say you like to help like minded people but then also say there's nothing wrong with sourcing your own parts as long as you do the research. Am i missing something there?

Don't take it the wrong way, you have been very very helpful to many people and they, along with myself appreciate it.

How is it a bit rich when they fish for info but shop elsewhere, when you don't make a living from it? Or are you meaning fishing for info from the business'? Just wanting to clarify that's all.

I also think that people are crazy if they don't shop around, i for one am not prepared to pay 3,4 or 5 times the price for something, just because it is a local supplier, that isn't a fair thing.

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24 Jul 2014 06:01 #15 by Moose2367
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Rick, the work you have described was never the intention of this, it was about part numbers only, which obviously are going to be off the shelf items, which has nothing to do with a workshop fabricating them.e

The parts i started the thread for are readily available, the same as what is available here or overseas, usually at a big price difference. the reason was so that people don't order the wrong parts, does that not make sense.

There are people that have had great experiences and there are people that have had very ordinary experiences too with some suppliers. As for inferior parts, they will be the same if the info is shared, but i guess that's not going to happen from some people.

We may as well leave it be then, don't bother helping other owners with part numbers, and in return some shouldn't expect info shared about anything else either, that's how it seems.
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24 Jul 2014 08:16 #16 by Rick Whitworth
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Moose2367 wrote: We may as well leave it be then, don't bother helping other owners with part numbers, and in return some shouldn't expect info shared about anything else either, that's how it seems.


Hey Moose, that's not what I'm saying at all
I have always contributed help on this and the previous forum when I could. Like any forum some members have to ask for more than they give while others supply incredibly well presented details including diagrams, point by point how to, part numbers and suppliers. ...all great invaluable stuff

maybe I did not put it right..

I fully support sharing any sources, part numbers and prices
But when it comes down to the final choice I am just happy to pay a reasonably higher margin for a standard off the shelf part to a local reliable supplier who has to charge a bit more to maintain stock and provide guaranteed continued service. If we don't do this they won't be able to stay in business to support us with specialty items and know how that we can't get elsewhere.

Just horses for courses, swings n slides, Shop wisely and you get back what you pay for ..in spades

Long live all OKAers, local and OS suppliers, OKA4wd.com and all those who sail in her!
cheers
Rick

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24 Jul 2014 08:56 - 24 Jul 2014 09:02 #17 by outyonda
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Why we need local suppliers!!

A trip through the Simpson, called P K on sat ph, 2 days later when we limped into Birdsville the parts were weighting for me!! you don't get service like that from O.S

But, eg Monroe shocks AU $230 US $30 do the maths, they wont get any OKA sales here.
don't get stung by UPS freight shockers, $700 over charge but still cheaper from US

It's A fine line, doing rebuilds there are options But we do need the local'

Brett

ps, I'm all for a parts no central, I look up bearing/seal no & bits all the time here.

OKAs 091, 093, 094, 113, 346x6 & 405
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24 Jul 2014 09:26 #18 by darren lilly
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There was a list on the old oka group site & think it was transfered to here but never got added to much. Some Oka parts can be sourced from other vehicles which would be very handy to know which ones if you were broken down in a remote area & had to wait a couple of days for a GENUINE Oka part which could have been obtained from a old ford etc dumped across the road in a paddock. I also believe in supporting Australian business but if I were on holidays & broken down I'd want to get going as soon as possible. So I like probably 90% of the people who use this site would be appreciative of such information. Lots of people have gotten themselves new alloy rims in the past few years did anyone buy them locally.

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24 Jul 2014 15:01 #19 by Joseph Baz
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Moose2367 wrote: Just thought it might be handy to have a central thread where we can list part numbers for upgrades, like 35 spline chro-mo axles, free wheel hubs etc.

Just been searching around(including the tech docs) for what others have used, but there aren't many part numbers or which versions used. Seeing as there are many different versions of the dana axles from different makes etc.

For instance, Yukon FWH have part numbers YHC71001 and YHC71002, both for Dana 60 35 spline but one for Ford and one for GM. If i've overlooked something then my bad.

As a rule of thumb no Ford parts were used by OKA
Cheers,Joe

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24 Jul 2014 15:20 #20 by Joseph Baz
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Don't know why Yukon have different part No for Ford or Chev/Dodge,Warn Premium list all three as the same for the 35 splines 38826 as the difference is on the length of the outer, Ford being shorter but also the hub is shorter so the FWH should be the same.
Cheers,Joe

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