Engineers in Vic?

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11 May 2019 16:49 #1 by Alister McBride
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Hi all, I'm Vic based and was keen to get this engineer in SA who has done many GVM/GCM upgrades to sign off on my OKA but having chatted to VicRoads they won't allow this. They want a Vic engineer to certify it... I don't see the difference as if i bought an oka in SA which had been engineered over there it would be fine to register in Vic and would adhere to Aus design standards etc, what a load of baloney! Anyway, it seems there are two options:
1) Ask here where people have gotten their oka's engineered by, in Vic, who were easy to deal with etc, and passed what you wanted,
2) Or, let vic rego lapse get engineered and registered for a week in SA and bring it back for rego over here.

The reason i ask is the engineer i spoke to in vic a few years back was not very obliging, where as this engineer in SA seems to have experience with oka's and seems pretty happy to sign off pretty high upgrades.

So, anyone got an easy going engineer in vic who is experienced with oka's, so it should be a pretty easy process?

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11 May 2019 17:15 - 11 May 2019 17:17 #2 by Holmz
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I doubt it will be easy.
I looked at a cummins transplant, and was told that the engineering needed to be completed.
(And no clear engineering path in the nanny state)

An SA path seems like it is easier.

I suppose if Australia had a automotive manufacturing industry, then there would be a need for automotive engineers.
(I don't see things improving soon.)
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11 May 2019 17:53 #3 by Alister McBride
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There's plenty of them about and as far as i know doesn't have much to do with the car manufacturing industry, i mean i'm an engineer who used to work for the car manufacturing industry, but i'm not certified to sign off on this stuff (Something to do with paying A LOT for certification and insurances etc).

i just want the 'right' one, one who knows oka's and is easy going... then i don't have to jump so many hoops etc ;)

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11 May 2019 21:33 #4 by fran philipson
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Hi Alister, I used Paul's engineer when I upgraded to the 6bt and also upped the gmv on 238. No trouble as he has done a lot of them for Paul. A Enkelman and Associates ph. 0395803024, was the engineer and he is licensed for every state. He also ticked of the disc handbrake at the same time.
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12 May 2019 06:41 #5 by Alister McBride
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ok thanks George. What gvm/gcm increase did you get and what tests did you have to do? He looks relatively close to home too, so could be helpful.

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12 May 2019 12:57 #6 by Rick Whitworth
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Diito Fran,
I have used Enkelman and Associates ph. 0395803024 three times who were thorough and had I had no problems.
I had a lot of trouble trying to get my first certificate when EPA Vic had crazy requirements for exhaust stacks. I tried many engineers and none would certify the OKA without a stack.

Finally found Enkelman who had the only sensible workable solution.
Rick

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12 May 2019 16:34 #7 by fran philipson
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Alister we got the gmv upgraded to 6 tonnes. No tests as far as I know, they just look at the engineering and passed . I also upgraded the front diff to a daner 70 at this time.

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12 May 2019 20:15 #8 by Alister McBride
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Thanks for the feedback guys! Looks like a call to Enkelman is the way to go.

Not turning this into a thread about GVM's as that has been done, but yes, 6T is relatively easy as some came out of the factory at 6T so they don't need to test anything, just make sure your oka is up to those specs. Getting it up to 7T GVM and 9T GCM like those in SA might be a different story... I'm also doing a drivetrain update but i imagine that should be fairly straightforward. Will keep updating here :)

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12 May 2019 21:21 #9 by Outback Jack
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Holmz wrote: I doubt it will be easy.
I looked at a cummins transplant, and was told that the engineering needed to be completed.
(And no clear engineering path in the nanny state)

An SA path seems like it is easier.

I suppose if Australia had a automotive manufacturing industry, then there would be a need for automotive engineers.
(I don't see things improving soon.)


Dont know about SA. But in NT, there is no Engineer involved for Cummins conversion. You first need to get approval from state transport authority. Once approval is approved and conversion completed. Then you must present vehicle to state transport authority for inspection. The inspect it, take pictures etc etc. If all good, you get a blue plate listing modifications. Vehicle is the registerable in any state.

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12 May 2019 23:03 - 13 May 2019 07:10 #10 by Rick Whitworth
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Alister,
Should clarify... my certifications were not for a 6bt swap or GVM changes, but for my progressive changes while the OKA was on the road for a couple of years.
It covered initial registration with Enkleman himself, then later to approve seating with his engineer named Jean Bo├▒neville, and finally for full Motorhome conversion with an Asian lady engineer who worked there.
After initially trying a few other companies I found them to be the best value, flexible thorough and very helpful.

Vicroads requirement for a certification by a Vic engineer is a pain and would seem to contradict Australian Standards.
All vehicles over 4.5 tons are now supposed to be in accordance with the National Heavy Vehicle Regulations
The HVNL commenced on 10 February 2014 in the ACT, NSW, Queensland, SA, Tasmania and Victoria. Each state passed a law that either adopts or duplicates the HVNL with some modifications and then a further amendment in 2018.
All gobbledegook set up so engineers can make money through the Vehicle Assessment Signatory Scheme ! :)
Rick

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14 May 2019 17:35 #11 by Alister McBride
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wow Lobo, that's a pretty cruisy process. Are they engineers that look at it or just standard desk workers? What does it take to get rego in NT, can i just be camping there for a week?! ;)

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14 May 2019 18:51 #12 by Outback Jack
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Alister McBride wrote: wow Lobo, that's a pretty cruisy process. Are they engineers that look at it or just standard desk workers? What does it take to get rego in NT, can i just be camping there for a week?! ;)


I would not call it a cruisy process. I have not used a private engineer before, but would think that would be easier. Just got to find one who doesn't look so hard if that's what you need. I had no choice on engineers, it had to be inspected at the Transport Authority.

My process meant that NT Motor Vehicle Registry compliance section has to approve in principle to the modification. Going over the drive specs etc etc. They actually contacted OKA in regards to drive train etc. Also wanting information on brakes etc etc

Once the conversion is done it is examined by Senior Inspectors of the Transport Authority. Not some desk workers. Pictures are taken of the conversion, and everything is checked out.

I think some conversions done in other States have had not the scrutiny my OKA has from the relevant state transport authority. Some or even most may had been done to a high standard. How many would volunteer scrutiny from a state transport authority.

My OKA has the relevant modifications plates and is registered with the Cummins etc

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14 May 2019 20:03 #13 by Alister McBride
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Ahh ok, my initial interpretation of your process was of it being pretty lax... I wouldn't mind VicRoads looking over mine once complete to be honest, firstly they wouldn't know what they were looking at, and secondly, it will be done well above requirements so no need to worry (as i'm sure yours was/is!). Cheers again for the helpful replies.

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14 May 2019 21:09 #14 by Outback Jack
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I also had to produce the certificate and compliance for all welding. All welding had to be done by a certified welder.

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14 May 2019 21:09 #15 by Outback Jack
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I also had to produce the certificate and compliance for all welding. All welding had to be done by a certified welder.

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15 May 2019 16:10 #16 by Peter and Sandra OKA 374
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NSW was pretty much the same, contact the engineer and talk to him about what you want to do, as the Cummins and auto conversion was pretty much straight forward with the only welding required being the additional plate between the original Perkins engine mounts and the engine block as well as the rear transmission mount fabrication.
Any welding had to be signed off by a certified welder.
Once he had gone over the finished vehicle he then asked whether anything else needed certifying like wheels and tyres, etc etc he then filled out all the RMS paperwork on line with an upgraded weighbridge certificate.
All I had to do was visit the local RMS and pick up new rego papers with the new details on them, no cost at the RTA just the engineers fee.

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400ah Lithiums, 680w solar, diesel cooking heating and HWS,
Cummins 6BT, Allison 6 speed auto, Nissan transfer.

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22 May 2019 19:19 #17 by Len208
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I had mine upgraded from5.5 to6.0t by Chris grabowski 03 9701 8566 a great guy cost about $400.Enkerman was having a problem with vicroads i don't know if he still is, but he put me onto Chris

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23 May 2019 14:07 #18 by Alister McBride
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Yep, after multiple calls and emails no reply from Enkelman, possibly not interested in my project or OKA's in general, not sure. Thanks Len i might try Chris Drabikowski and there's another my brother went to a while back Pete Turner who he found to be really good, will report on my success... Thanks all for your input so far! :)

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24 May 2019 08:11 - 24 May 2019 08:15 #19 by Rick Whitworth
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Enkelman has not been there for some years now, just the business name
Jean Bonneville did my seats and had a creative solution for the EPA stack problem when he was there but I see he has now gone out on his own in Bayswater.
His contact details are in the attached list

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Sounds like it depends on who you get and process is still as rubbery as ever!!

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