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01 Nov 2012 12:11 #1 by dandjcr
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From Mark Pain:

Hello all,
Many thanks for the replies to my question regarding the windscreen. A new one is now uderway after some rust removal.
Can anyone tell me where to get front indicator/parking light assemblies from? The only brand I can see on them is a trademark that appears to say Rinder. Both the cases and lenses on mine are cracked.
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June 16, 2010 at 9:32 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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From David Hallandal:

Mark
I had the same problem and gave up when I couldn't find them.
I made an LED unit up instead, consisting of:
Two of 25x50x160 long tubing, and two of each of the following from LED Autolamps, 35AM (indicator) and 35WM (Parking / Outline Marker). The LEDs should be available almost anywhere, I am very happy with these and they work well.



I also replaced the side indicator with an LED unit and it is a good Idea to do it at the same time. They're cheap.
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June 16, 2010 at 9:36 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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From Paul Crompton:

Front side blinker lights are a Britax part, No. 10430.01 and normally available through Repco. You will need to double check that the part number is correct as I have not actually purchased them myself. It may also be worth checking a Britax catalogue to see if the front indicator park lights are of the same make. Hope this of some help.
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From David Hallandal:

Paul
Yes the side units are still available, but I can't see the point in putting on an indicator light that will only fall off at the first tree branch to glance past it. The LED equivalent are stronger, brighter and a lot cheaper, and with no globes to blow or amber covers to fall off. Britax do not make the front indicator / outline marker combination set and from what I was told these units are no longer available.
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29 Jan 2015 21:52 #2 by PTO
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Narva 95202 LED indicator/clearance light is a direct fit for front indicator

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23 Aug 2016 17:49 #3 by Ewart and Vivian Halford
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Hi all, I just got these for side markers for the body, they are side markers but maybe they could be used to replace the front side indicator.
Led auto lamp 181 series.
Protrude out about 7 mm.






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04 Sep 2016 18:52 #4 by Ewart and Vivian Halford
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04 Sep 2016 19:02 #5 by Ewart and Vivian Halford
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ok big deal I know.
Well I looked at the narva light but I thought it might not fit and it was expensive so I went for the led autolamp 175aw/2
Front indicator/daytime running.
I had to move the mounting plate forward 38 mm.


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04 Sep 2016 19:26 #6 by Ewart and Vivian Halford
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04 Sep 2016 19:43 #7 by Ewart and Vivian Halford
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I also had to drill new mounting holes for the light.











Hopefully this worked
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04 Sep 2016 19:50 #8 by Outback Jack
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Those are the same I put in. Work great and super bright.

You may need to change flasher to suit if you haven't done so already. This way the indicators flash at the right rate.
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04 Sep 2016 21:07 #9 by Ewart and Vivian Halford
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Hey lobo I was wondering when they are all led if I need to change the flasher. Al from OKA replaced the side indicators some time ago and they worked fine.
One thing I mentioned on the replies that did not come through was that I kept the mounting plate at the same angle of the original and noticed that the light points down, not sure if the old lights did the same.
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04 Sep 2016 22:51 - 05 Sep 2016 07:20 #10 by dandjcr
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Ewart, I tidied up the thread removing duplicated posts.

LED flasher probably required if you changed the rear indicators to LEDs as well. The ADR for indicator lights is 90 +/-30 flashes per minute (Appendix A section 6.5.9), although 80 seems to be a common rate.

XT front indicator lights have a slightly different bracket. Easy enough to make up a new bracket, probably rusted away anyway in that area:



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05 Sep 2016 08:13 #11 by Ewart and Vivian Halford
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Thanks for the tidy up and info David.
Had to crop all pics to get them to load.

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05 Sep 2016 18:31 #12 by Outback Jack
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I changed the flasher when I added the front LED indicators. Otherwise it didn't flash at the right rate.

The flasher I got did both LED and Standard Globes. I did have to swap two wires around. Works a treat now.

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06 Sep 2016 17:46 #13 by Ewart and Vivian Halford
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Glued in the little round side lights and had a Homer Simpson Doh moment, I was too busy getting the black sika off the white body, by the time I re-checked the connections and noticed that the led globe is rectangle. Yes and they were all in at different angles and the sika had gone off, bugga.
The other thing is that I got them out of England so not sure if that is why the white wire is negative and the black wire is positive.

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06 Sep 2016 23:06 - 06 Sep 2016 23:25 #14 by dandjcr
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Ewart, it might be a throwback to trailer wiring where the white wire is the earth return.

Can't explain black for positive, goes against everything I've learned, but then we had to change from sensible red/black mains wiring to brown/blue to meet European standards.

Best to label them + and - before they reverse those as well. I slip a piece of red or black heat shrink sleeving on any wires where there's any polarity doubt.

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07 Sep 2016 06:27 #15 by John and Bronwyn
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White seems to be a common colour for the ground wire, it's not just a trailer thing.

It might be related to the US power cord code. Instead of the familiar red / black or brown / blue for active / neutral respectively, the US uses black for "hot" (active) and white for return (neutral).

I have seen many US power cords wired wrongly into Australian plugs!

Why brown / blue? It was adopted to avoid the potentially lethal red / green (active / earth) confusion with a common form of colour blindness. For many years the Victorian power industry (SECV) required some occupations to pass a red / green colour perception test.
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07 Sep 2016 07:59 #16 by dandjcr
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Yes it seems to be a US thing, but it's creeping in here too, via china. Some of my solar panels had black and white leads.

Interesting if the Europeans try changing traffic lights to brown and blue? Is there a colour blindness requirement in the driving test?

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11 Sep 2016 08:40 #17 by Ewart and Vivian Halford
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I got a new led relay and it works at the correct speed but there is no 'tick,tick,tick', is this normal or are there some that tick and some that don't?

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11 Sep 2016 15:45 - 11 Sep 2016 15:55 #18 by Rick Whitworth
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Ewart and Vivian Halford wrote: there is no 'tick,tick,tick'

Ewart I have the same problem with my LED flasher but it was always hard to hear anyway.

Ability to sense delicate indicator 'tick,tick,tick' is an OKA aftermarket special exclusively limited to Cummins 6bt vehicles.
On the dark side, they also get to sense other muted sounds including soothing music!

....Softies!!

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11 Sep 2016 21:42 - 11 Sep 2016 22:21 #19 by dandjcr
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Being electronic, they probably don't emit any sound.

I can't hear my current standard flasher either so I fitted a simple piezo buzzer ( from Jaycar ) to the flasher unit output so it beeps when flashing.



If the buzzer sounds continuously (due to current draw from flasher unit), you might need to connect it to the indicator switch outputs via a couple of cheap diodes, 1N4004 , (so that the buzzer sounds in both directions):



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15 Sep 2016 19:26 #20 by Ewart and Vivian Halford
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Wow, I don't think will disappear in the dark.



Spaghetti junction with all the wires and all the colours of the rainbows,
Took awhile to do, I hope not to have any problems.




All LEDs now except for head lights.
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