Weight of Perkins Phaser 110 long motor

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29 Dec 2020 09:32 #1 by Rick Whitworth
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does anyone know the weight of a fully runnable 4 cylinder Perkins Phaser 110 long motor
approx guesses or otherwise would be appreciated

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29 Dec 2020 09:57 #2 by Peter_n_Margaret
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About 100kg less than a 6BT? :)

OT, but I looked at the new 2.8L Cummins crate motor. It is also heavier than a Perkins.
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29 Dec 2020 10:16 #3 by Rick Whitworth
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Rick Whitworth wrote: does anyone know the weight of a fully runnable 4 cylinder Perkins Phaser 110 long motor
approx guesses or otherwise would be appreciated


very round figures will do, need too know for freight cost

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29 Dec 2020 12:28 #4 by Dean and Kaye Howells
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Hi Rick, according to this 279 Kg.

Perkins Phaser 110

Deano :)
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31 Dec 2020 18:21 #5 by Alister McBride
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Sorry Deano but i'm not sure i'd agree with that... it's commonly accepted as being 450kg ish. 6bt is 550kg ish. From memory 4bt is 450ish also and i can't imagine the perky being down towards the weight of a petrol car donk. I've got mine on the shed floor, if only i had a way of weighing it!
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01 Jan 2021 00:27 #6 by Rick Whitworth
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thanks Alister, that'll be fun. I just secured a freight deal based on 280kg!
will be interesting to see what they say next week.

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01 Jan 2021 04:25 #7 by Peter and Sandra OKA 374
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Peter the 2.8 Cummins weighs 228kg fully dressed but dry, chucks out 120kw/161hp and 280-360nm torque at 1500 - 3000 rpm.
In my 4wd Foton trayback which weighs just under 2 tonne it goes pretty well.
Foton use the same engine in their Aumark range of small trucks so it can pull much more as well.
A brochure I have for Off Highway Cummins engines quotes the 4BT being 338-355kg and a 6BT being 432-452kg wet.
A brochure for a Perkins Phaser 110 as being 280kg dry but that is a basic industrial engine without hydraulic pump and only an alternator.

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400ah Lithiums, 1100w solar, diesel cooking heating and HWS,
Cummins 6BT, Allison 6 speed auto, Nissan transfer.
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01 Jan 2021 15:44 #8 by Alister McBride
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My apologies, i had 1100lbs for the 6bt on the mind and it seems others do too but it also seems there is a range of weights also depending on the accessories etc but it sounds like you're right...
www.4btswaps.com/threads/acurate-weight-of-6bt.16938/

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29 Jan 2021 06:41 #9 by Alister McBride
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OK, i got sick of years of people theorising about engine weights so yesterday i weighed both engines. The Perkins was dry, the 6bt wet (17L or say 16kg of oil) and had a 28kg air compressor on the side. Both had bell/adapter-plates, clutches, flywheels, starters, dump pipe, AC comp and starter. The only thing i could pick that wasn't on the 6bt was the engine fan at i'm guessing 5kg-ish. It should be noted that i am using an SAE#2 bell and flywheel with a stonking big clutch (pressure plate weighs 26kg!) and the P-pump is a fair bit heavier than the VE inj pump (somebody else can add that) so most people 6bt's will be lighter again.
- Perkins came in at 424kg,
- 6bt came in at 552kg - oil 16kg - air compressor 28kg = 508kg





Conclusion
The heaviest version of the 6bt (mine) is roughly 85kg heavier than the perky so i would suggest VE inj pump versions with the OKA bell and spicer box would be another 10-20kg lighter... so only say 70kg heavier. In my book 70kg is a small penalty for a minimum of doubling your power and all that goes with that!

Let the arguments begin! :lol: :evil:

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29 Jan 2021 07:28 #10 by Paul Scherek
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Aha, so that is why the Perkins six cylinder engine is so much more refined than the 6bt - more metal to smooth out the vibrations!

Let the arguments begin!

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29 Jan 2021 08:59 - 29 Jan 2021 09:02 #11 by Rick Whitworth
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Alister McBride wrote: - Perkins came in at 424kg,

The engine I had freighted did not have a bell housing adaptor plate, flywheel or fan hub but everything else including starter motor, so must have been 'weigh' :) over the 240kg figure that I gave them.
I was going to refer to the 240kg quoted on the Perkins website if he freight company CTI logistics had any problems but they did not check the weight. They were more concerned about volume. {motor was strapped to a 1.2 squ m std pallet}.

They guaranteed 5 working days (it only took 3) and cost $170 door to door from Perth depot to Melbourne depot, fork lift at each end.
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29 Jan 2021 09:12 #12 by Alister McBride
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Hi Rick, yeah i had seen this argument many times on many forums so wasted an arvo borrowing a mates set of scales and weighing them... was only to inform people in general (and stir up some of the pro perky wet blankets! :P )

Paul - i wouldn't touch such a rattly old unrefined beast! lol (would bolt straight up though wouldn't it hmmm! :D )

I forgot to mention, power steering pumps were on both as well.
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29 Jan 2021 09:55 #13 by Rick Whitworth
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Alister McBride wrote: stir up some of the pro perky wet blankets!


what's next?
wrap it up in a wet blanket in the shed to gather dust or make it rainy day hobby...

a fully balanced, blue printed reco with some options...
say.. shaved, ported head, lumpy cam, oversized valves/springs, ram inlet maniford, extractors, twin waste gated turbos, modified IP and injectors

a fire breathing Perky
heh, heh what a dream :)

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29 Jan 2021 09:59 #14 by Paul Scherek
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Funny... that is exactly how my Perky came!! Honest.....
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29 Jan 2021 10:04 #15 by Rick Whitworth
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Paul Scherek wrote: Funny... that is exactly how my Perky came!! Honest.....


tell me more Paul. Photos? Specs? Who? When? Where?

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29 Jan 2021 10:17 #16 by Paul Scherek
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29 Jan 2021 10:30 #17 by Rick Whitworth
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no good Paul
throw out on my starter won't fit the ring gear

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29 Jan 2021 10:36 #18 by Paul Scherek
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Drat!! Sorry Rick, nothing else for it, we will have to go electric. Run our Okas on coal instead of diesel fuel.

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29 Jan 2021 13:43 #19 by Alister McBride
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Paul, how much does that big perky weigh in at... 350kg?

Rick, nothing wrong with a rainy day project! ;) I like em, gotta be doing other things on the sunny days anyway!
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29 Jan 2021 13:59 #20 by Paul Scherek
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Sorry Alister, I have no idea, but looking at the two engines it would have to be very, very close to 50% more than the four. It looks identical except for the extra length.
Except that it is faster - and smooth like a sewing machine - I notice no difference in the driving.
At a weigh in after the fitting it measured 4700 kilos - not tare weight, set up ready for travel but without food, wine and clothes. I think it could easily be downgraded to 4495 kilos - I have a lot of heavy extra facilities which while nice are expendable.

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